Let's Save Magic!!! I Have An Idea

[ace_magic]

WARNING: You may not like what you hear!

all right guys, after i read a post about todays magic, I realized something must be done. so i was thinking... It is physically impossible forone person to create slews of original works, Right? a site where people privately share their personal creations would have a 7 year old kid joining who sold all the tricks. lol. so we need a way to create tricks and keep them under wraps. if every one new the secrets there would be a leak, however, if one person with exceptional hands and the will to become a perfomer was able to have original tricks at his finger tips, than perhaps a group of private thinkers could save magic by only sharing those tricks through apprenticeship of that single magician...
we could save magic but it must be done quickly, for good tricks created by YOU and sold by YOU, are wasted and their is no chance for their good use.
I dont know who this "mysterious magician" is but i know its not me.
Come on guys weve got to do this before what we love deteriorates.
And this person has to be older than 18

seriously.

[traumatised-magic]

its a nice idea but it wont last.

there will eventually b a leak cause after all money will always win. and if the right price is put on the table someone will take the offer no doubt and then we are right back were we started

[ace_magic]

no man. the only person to know all the tricks would be the lead magician. the think tank woul only know their tricks. through selflessness we could save it. why shouldnt we try magic will be totally dead within a few years... we cant create sleights forever.

[traumatised-magic]

i see what u mean but all im sayin is that when u say about aprentiships and stuff surely that means the lead magician is teachin his students. meaning at some point someone is goin to crave that money and expose the tricks they have learnt

[magick]

no man. the only person to know all the tricks would be the lead magician. the think tank woul only know their tricks. through selflessness we could save it. why shouldnt we try magic will be totally dead within a few years... we cant create sleights forever.

how exactally is magic going to be dead?

are you saying that no one will want to go to a magic show?

or that every trick will have been invented?

magic is centuries old....and it wont come to an end any time soon.

[ace_magic]

yea but if they make money off performance what would be the drive to sell their work? see you later im goin to bed.

[cheaptrick]

Idea fails, really bad.

And I am sick of this magic is dead shit, dm and his little mid group is getting pretty annoying.

[ntroberts]

Remember... this is kinda how it used to work. But it changed. Asking to reverse the trend is practically impossible. It's a different world now. And yes, someone WILL expose it eventually.

yea but if they make money off performance what would be the drive to sell their work? see you later im goin to bed.

It used to be such that magicians sold their work to fellow magicians. But as I pointed out in the other thread, this is a problem of the conflict inherent in selling secrets.

[EmergencyMagician]

Centuries ago, there wasn't wide-spread TV or the World Wide Web that exposed magic to the masses. So your statement isn't as safe as you make it.


how exactally is magic going to be dead?

are you saying that no one will want to go to a magic show?

or that every trick will have been invented?

magic is centuries old....and it wont come to an end any time soon.

[ace_magic]

thank you emergencymagician. all Im trying to say is that magic is EVERYWHERE.
I love it.
I hate it.
Im tring to throw some ideas out so that ne one who can be a little bit selfless and get over the money will see that something needs to be done.
and we can do it.
Magic isnt dead yet.
we still got Criss Angel
lol

[ace_magic]

money doesnt have to win
that is just what we want to believe

[cheaptrick]

Centuries ago, there wasn't wide-spread TV or the World Wide Web that exposed magic to the masses. So your statement isn't as safe as you make it.

magic has been being revealed on tv since the 50's, and it raised more interest in magic, so far tv and the internet have greatly improved participation and interest in magic.

[EmergencyMagician]

magic has been being revealed on tv since the 50's, and it raised more interest in magic, so far tv and the internet have greatly improved participation and interest in magic.

The only difference between then and now is they are making programs and sites that don't just reveal one secret at a time like they did in the 50's. Today you can practically reveal an entire performers show with an hour of searching on the internet.

When they revealed a secret on TV in the 50's they would reveal the secret only to blow you away with another trick to leave you feeling even more stupid. For example, appearing a girl in a two doored cabinet. They would show you the secret, how the girl hides behind the door and then the magician would produce 2 more girls from the cabinet just to throw off the audience.

I will agree that by exposing magic, it makes magic more popular. But how much longer will people find interest in these shows when they already know a similar method from previous shows. You can't honestly say that there is no difference from exposure in the 50's compared to now. You can find out how Copperfield, Criss Angel, David Blaine and others do everyone of their tricks on Youtube for God's sake. I don't think you could do that in the 50's. BECAUSE THERE WAS NO INTERNET!!!!!

The only thing it has done is make kids think they are great magicians because they know the secret. Geez, it's kinda like this site. Hint Hint. LOL

Honestly I could care less about exposure, magic secrets are only going to appeal to people that have the slightess interest in it. There will always be people who don't have a clue. Just make sure your material is fresh. If you are doing tricks which people are keen to, you probably need to update your material anyways.

[ace_magic]

EM, what you said about people being out of the loop is very true... i almost said that in one of my posts here, and i dont necesarly 'hate' exposure, actually i gotta say that i really love digging deep for tricks like tivo2.0(so obvious lol) and out of this world, they are alot of fun... however the idea of creating a person with tricks that couldnt be exposed just itches at me... i mean we have these pros that have pro thinkers with pro cards and pro 4000 dollar gimmicks... so what if we created a normal person, like shakespear, and led them up as a super magic genious... that might be fun...
sorry
maybe its just me, maybe Ive gone insane, but this sounds so fun that i cant wait...

[ace_magic]

BTW, arent the only people watching magic the ones who have the slightest interest?

[EmergencyMagician]

BTW, arent the only people watching magic the ones who have the slightest interest?


Pretty much, but I think when something is hyped the way the Masked Magicians special were, a general audience will grow interest. TV sucks anyways, there is never anything on as it is. When a show like that comes on, I think people get excited, they don't even have to like magic, because its entertaining. The internet is another thing. People actually have to work to find out the secrets as opposed to channel changing on a TV.

[CoinFlip]

Wow
Wouldn't making everything original include getting rid of double lifts false cuts and stuff because thats not exaclty "original". That would be extremely difficult to achieve and I'll give a lot of money to anyone who can.

[ace_magic]

whatever...

[Magic Orthodoxy]

Apprenticeships is how magic originally was passed down, and if you were smart [and young] you'd find an old magic geezer to be your mentor. Even if he doesn't know who Dan and Dave are - just learning from him will be worth more than a thousand ellusionist DVD's put together.

[jimbo mcgee]

thats like saying music is dead. its not. u may not like the new stuff but it is not dead. like many things (more like everything) changes so just deal with it and move on. there are more important things in life than knowing a magic trick.

[EmergencyMagician]

Good point!



thats like saying music is dead. its not. u may not like the new stuff but it is not dead. like many things (more like everything) changes so just deal with it and move on. there are more important things in life than knowing a magic trick.

[ace_magic]

yea that is right our world goes through time phase... but still arent there only a certain amount of tricks to come up with... but your right... there are more important things

[magick]

yea that is right our world goes through time phase... but still arent there only a certain amount of tricks to come up with... but your right... there are more important things

no there are an infinate number of tricks to come up with....

never doubt the creativity and imagination of your fellow magicians.

[icdabrs]

no there are an infinate number of tricks to come up with....

never doubt the creativity and imagination of your fellow magicians.

I agree. There are ininite amounts of tricks to create. If you can think it, it can be done, it's the how that is a mystery hard to solve.

[ace_magic]

im sorry ... i worded my self wrong... impromptu tricks have to have a limit, however with a gimmick, ne thing is possible