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CoinFlip
01-19-2009, 01:57 PM
http://www.theory11.com/1on1/?CategoryID=0&ProductID=76&RecordsPerPage=5#ThumbVideos

Holy crap they're remarketing an old trick with a new trick!

At least that's what it looks like... It seems to me just a click change with a new grip on the card and deck.

Dontavius Roivas
01-19-2009, 02:36 PM
Thats really all it is, seems as if Theory 11 is really just scamming people now adays.

traumatised-magic
01-19-2009, 03:52 PM
well its not really a remarket of an old trick, its an upgrade. it is essentially the snap change done with the deck in ur hand so the clean up is instantanious.

to magicians that know of the snap change its obvious how its done, and personally i think its better

no more havein to steal the card out of tenkai. plus tenkai has some of the worst angles u can imagine. with this method the card goes naturally back to the deck that is in ur hand so u can do it vertually from any angle no need to worry bout hand positions for the clean up and the tenkai any more

ur moaning about an uprade like its a bad thing.

thats like goin to a games shop and buyin the original xbox or the ps1. cool and retro as they are, with all the next gen games out its worthless

CoinFlip
01-19-2009, 04:03 PM
well its not really a remarket of an old trick, its an upgrade. it is essentially the snap change done with the deck in ur hand so the clean up is instantanious.

to magicians that know of the snap change its obvious how its done, and personally i think its better

no more havein to steal the card out of tenkai. plus tenkai has some of the worst angles u can imagine. with this method the card goes naturally back to the deck that is in ur hand so u can do it vertually from any angle no need to worry bout hand positions for the clean up and the tenkai any more

ur moaning about an uprade like its a bad thing.

thats like goin to a games shop and buyin the original xbox or the ps1. cool and retro as they are, with all the next gen games out its worthless

Click change already covers the instant steal... and hell yes tenkai has the worst angles ever. But I still love it.

traumatised-magic
01-19-2009, 04:14 PM
i love it too, especially someone elses credit card into tenkai, they spend the next 10 mins tryin to find where u threw it LMAO

CoinFlip
01-19-2009, 04:23 PM
i love it too, especially someone elses credit card into tenkai, they spend the next 10 mins tryin to find where u threw it LMAO

lol lmao...

magic123
01-19-2009, 04:35 PM
Glitch looks like he clicked change the card on the deck which i in the same hand.

CoinFlip
01-19-2009, 04:45 PM
Glitch looks like he clicked change the card on the deck which i in the same hand.

isn't that exactly what click change is?

except this one has a different grip

traumatised-magic
01-19-2009, 04:51 PM
it even says in the description it is bascially a mix of the click change and the snap change. or he has taken ideas from both changes

CoinFlip
01-19-2009, 04:53 PM
crap i double posted

CoinFlip
01-19-2009, 04:53 PM
it even says in the description it is bascially a mix of the click change and the snap change. or he has taken ideas from both changes

but it's still the exact same concept.. you grip the cards and deck and you bring it back lol

So it's just a new grip that's it

oh ya and has anyone noticed that madison was fast as hell a few years ago with flourishing? Might just have been the camera but damn..

magic123
01-19-2009, 04:55 PM
I thought that with the click change the cards and deck are in different hands. Or is that the snap change? I confused....

CoinFlip
01-19-2009, 05:12 PM
I thought that with the click change the cards and deck are in different hands. Or is that the snap change? I confused....

snap change the deck is in 1 hand and the cards are in the other

click change the deck and cards are in same hand so you can snap change the cards but the extra card will land on the deck so no clean up

and this change is exact same thing as the click change but modified grip

traumatised-magic
01-19-2009, 05:17 PM
well i dont know the exact workins of the click change, but if it looks exactly the same then fair enough, i dunno. i've not known madison to blatently steal a trick and rename it even if there is a slight modification to the grip. seems very unusual

cheaptrick
01-19-2009, 08:52 PM
The click change is a snap change with the deck in hand, making cleanup almost instant, this is very similiar however it is a differant grip and will be easier for some people, I dont see how its a ripoff, seems whenever someone takes a old effect and changes some of it to make it better they are somehow ripping you off, I mean, Daniel Madison best effect Angle Zero is a old effect revamped. Besides, most people cant do tenkai worth a damn so this will help.

but it's still the exact same concept.. you grip the cards and deck and you bring it back lol

So it's just a new grip that's it

oh ya and has anyone noticed that madison was fast as hell a few years ago with flourishing? Might just have been the camera but damn..

He actually not that fast of a flourisher, hes fluid, but not insanely fast

CoinFlip
01-19-2009, 09:01 PM
The click change is a snap change with the deck in hand, making cleanup almost instant, this is very similiar however it is a differant grip and will be easier for some people, I dont see how its a ripoff, seems whenever someone takes a old effect and changes some of it to make it better they are somehow ripping you off, I mean, Daniel Madison best effect Angle Zero is a old effect revamped. Besides, most people cant do tenkai worth a damn so this will help.



He actually not that fast of a flourisher, hes fluid, but not insanely fast

Maybe that's the word but have you seen his old videos? holy crap

cheaptrick
01-19-2009, 09:05 PM
Maybe that's the word but have you seen his old videos? holy crap

faster then most flourishes, but the buck twins, tudor, jikh, sean and scott, and numerous other people are a lot faster, plus the whole body movements sometimes imo can make a flourish look faster, he is very smooth and fluid tho.

CoinFlip
01-19-2009, 09:11 PM
faster then most flourishes, but the buck twins, tudor, jikh, sean and scott, and numerous other people are a lot faster, plus the whole body movements sometimes imo can make a flourish look faster, he is very smooth and fluid tho.

hmm.. ok

and yes the body movements are ownage xD