What makes you better then Criss?

[professor808]

A lot of people knock criss angel, not only on this website but to other magicians, and other laymen. - ~sidetrack~ never, ever attack another magician in front of a laymen it makes up all look bad - But I am curious what makes you better then him?

Why do you have the right to say hes a fake or a horrible magician? I was reading one post from someone talking about his walking on water illusion and how he uses Plexiglas, if that was even the case. Then they called him a faker for doing it.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? you are going to call him a faker because he used a method to create an illusion? What do you do when you put a card in the middle of the deck and it comes to the top, you are faking it!

So what makes you better then Criss?

[magicguy147]

you forgot to mention all his camera editing and half his stuff cant be performed in front of a real audience. Take this video for example

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[professor808]

you forgot to mention all his camera editing and half his stuff cant be performed in front of a real audience.

Just the same as if you catch David Copperfield out in public, he cant fly around the room.

Criss Angel is just using a method you disapprove of to fool people. You may not be fooled but there are plenty of people out there he tricks every show. That's why he has a show. And when he meets someone in person, he has all that magic that you can do to fall back on to still impress someone. Yeah he cant stick his arm through them or make them reappear at the end of the hall but he can still do magic and say, "I do that kind of stuff for my show only" if the ask him to do something impossible.

Why is that so bad that he using camera edits? Is it because he fooled you and after you watched it 13 times and found out it was a camera edit or a stooge you got mad at being tricked. THAT'S WHAT MAGIC IS.

Also that video had nothing to do with anything, FLAVOR FLAVE!

[ntroberts]

First of all, I make no claims about being better than Criss. Disclaimer aside, I've wrote about this issue before. Criss is a good entertainer, no doubt about that, but as a magician in his Mindfreak shows, I'd have to say he's suspect. Be reminded, that we are talking about Criss being a magician on TV and nothing about off the camera.

Magic is about being tricked, but it's not so simple as to stand like that alone. He may "cheat" on the big stunt-like effects, but that's not what attracts the ire of magicians. It's that other effects Criss shows on TV implicitly carries the premise that what he does he can do anywhere. He makes a big deal of showing that "he/she never met him (Criss) before" as if implicitly barring setups and pre-show work, when in fact he does have pre-show with production assistants, etc.

Similarly, that's why magic effects that have cuts, or show video editing are frowned upon. Magicians take pride in skill and/or our sense of authenticity. Ever been disappointed by a promo ad for a magic product where the real thing looks/works nowhere near like the ad? Similar issue at stake. It's hard to explain since Magic is by nature deceptive, but if you didn't understand that then I guess that's just how it is.

[professor808]

First of all, I make no claims about being better than Criss. Disclaimer aside, I've wrote about this issue before. Criss is a good entertainer, no doubt about that, but as a magician in his Mindfreak shows, I'd have to say he's suspect. Be reminded, that we are talking about Criss being a magician on TV and nothing about off the camera.

Magic is about being tricked, but it's not so simple as to stand like that alone. He may "cheat" on the big stunt-like effects, but that's not what attracts the ire of magicians. It's that other effects Criss shows on TV implicitly carries the premise that what he does he can do anywhere. He makes a big deal of showing that "he/she never met him (Criss) before" as if implicitly barring setups and pre-show work, when in fact he does have pre-show with production assistants, etc.

Similarly, that's why magic effects that have cuts, or show video editing are frowned upon. Magicians take pride in skill and/or our sense of authenticity. Ever been disappointed by a promo ad for a magic product where the real thing looks/works nowhere near like the ad? Similar issue at stake. It's hard to explain since Magic is by nature deceptive, but if you didn't understand that then I guess that's just how it is.

Yes, i understand we as magicians being upset that he has "fooled us" but for magicians to go out and bash criss angles name to laymen, saying he uses camera tricks and cant do anything in person is wrong.

But i don't think that him using pre show work or stooges or editing to create an illusion on TV is bad. he is not selling these effects to the public or in a store he is just there to entertain, and he is not doing that? David Copperfield uses stooges and preshow work. Even making a stooge out of a random spectator on the way up to the stage. What makes him any different from Criss?

Criss angel has never once claimed that what he can do is real. He is a magician and he admits it.

[magicguy147]

How come you keep comparing him to David Copperfield when did he get in this

[professor808]

How come you keep comparing him to David Copperfield when did he get in this

Read the context and you will understand

[professor808]

If you would prefer i could replace the David Copperfield with David Blaine or Lance Burton or any other magician out there doing illusions or television

[magick]

If you would prefer i could replace the David Copperfield with David Blaine or Lance Burton or any other magician out there doing illusions or television

you're right, all of those magicians used video edits in their tv shows.....



the problem that i see is that so many people cant seem to tell the diference between a video edit,(where the video is cut to prevent the camera from seeing slight of hand, or a bad angle for the illusion) and a camera trick (where the camera stops and the guy gets out of the box and then they restart the camera or whatever)

all the magicians named have used camera edits........but that doesn't mean the live audience didn't see the same effect.

criss really has gotten a raw deal, from all the kids who get fooled by an effect.....and just because it was filmed from several angles and the director decided to switch views........all the dumb little kids scream fake.

[Mr. Mysterious]

If you think Chirs is a "good magician" because he can fake most of his effects and use camera tricks, then why are you making an argument that he is a better magician than most of us who use an entirely different way to do magic?

It's like taking art made from a computer and hand painted art and comparing them. You can't paint some of the things you can make with a computer. And you can't paint some of the things using a computer that you can paint using your hand.

There's a big difference here.

I would say, if people can get better reactions from using their skills and talent, than a stooge could give to chris angel, they are a LOT better than him...

oh and magicguy147, that was the funniest video I've seen in a long time. which is sad but still...thanks! :D

[AceOSpades]

you're right, all of those magicians used video edits in their tv shows.....



the problem that i see is that so many poople cant seem to tell the diference between a video edit,(where the video is cut to prevent the camera from seeing slight of hand, or a bad angle for the illusion) and a camera trick (where the camera stops and the guy gets out of the box and then they restart the camera or whatever)

all the magicians named have used camera edits........but that doesn't mean the live audience didn't see the same effect.

criss really has gotten a raw deal, from all the kids who get fooled by an effect.....and just because it was filmed from several angles and the director decided to switch views........all the dumb little kids scream fake.


idk but i havnt really ever seen david do something with a camera cut or anything except for his levitation...but only to protect teh secret fo the balducci...and i beleive that whole...take out a girls tooth and fire it back into place...and criss does have some good work but he has a bad rep for doing camera edits...esspecially at out school...i had to do a school project and i had to make a movie about a hobby...so i showed how he faked his exploding building escape and now everyone haates him at our school

[magick]

If you think Chirs is a "good magician" because he can fake most of his effects and use camera tricks, then why are you making an argument that he is a better magician than most of us who use an entirely different way to do magic?

It's like taking art made from a computer and hand painted art and comparing them. You can't paint some of the things you can make with a computer. And you can't paint some of the things using a computer that you can paint using your hand.

There's a big difference here.

I would say, if people can get better reactions from using their skills and talent, than a stooge could give to chris angel, they are a LOT better than him...

oh and magicguy147, that was the funniest video I've seen in a long time. which is sad but still...thanks! :D

let me ask you this.

and this question is for everyone.......

what do you think of this effect?
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[Random Hero]

let me ask you this.

and this question is for everyone.......

what do you think of this effect?
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Its a damn cool effect

[professor808]

i had to do a school project and i had to make a movie about a hobby...so i showed how he faked his exploding building escape and now everyone haates him at our school

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? YOU REVEALED A MAGIC SECRET TO A ROOM FULL OF LAYMEN!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!

[professor808]

what do you think of this effect?

It looks good, and it dose not matter how we did that, but that it fooled people and looks good.

Just because you think, There is no way he could have done that without a camera edit, dose not make that how its done.

How many times do you hear a spectator say, oh it must be up your sleeve. Even though most tricks don't even involve sleeves. Its just thats the only think their mind can connect with to explain it. Just because he fooled you dosn't mean you can knock on him and reveal, what you think, is the method to his trick.

[magick]

idk but i havnt really ever seen david do something with a camera cut or anything except for his levitation...but only to protect teh secret fo the balducci...and i beleive that whole...take out a girls tooth and fire it back into place...and criss does have some good work but he has a bad rep for doing camera edits...esspecially at out school...i had to do a school project and i had to make a movie about a hobby...so i showed how he faked his exploding building escape and now everyone haates him at our school

that was really a bad thing for one magician to do to another.....you should be ashamed.......

thats the kind of thing that really hurts the art of magic.

[Mr. Mysterious]

let me ask you this.

and this question is for everyone.......

what do you think of this effect?
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How do you want me to respond to this? From a magicians point of view or me personally?
I like the effect, but at the same time it's just a camera trick probably with some mirrors. You also don't see how he set it up...for all we know, they could all be stooges and it could be photoshopped or something...

[professor808]

How do you want me to respond to this? From a magicians point of view or me personally?
I like the effect, but at the same time it's just a camera trick probably with some mirrors. You also don't see how he set it up...for all we know, they could all be stooges and it could be photoshopped or something...

Oh my gosh are you kidding me.

first off why do you think that if he is using mirrors, it makes it a camera trick? there are plenty of tricks that you can do for a live audience that use mirrors.

Second When do you ever see the set up of a magicians trick, do you not stack a deck of cards to do an ace production?

and third, just because he fooled you with the trick dose not mean he is using stooges. Why are those people not really impressed? Sure the people standing behind him in the video are able to see what he is doing, but that dose not mean they are stooges, just means the are getting a bad angle, now if the freaked out in the video then you could say they are in on it. But from what i see the girls watching the trick are truly impressed.

stop jumping to conclusions just because you have no idea.

[magick]

How do you want me to respond to this? From a magicians point of view or me personally?
I like the effect, but at the same time it's just a camera trick probably with some mirrors. You also don't see how he set it up...for all we know, they could all be stooges and it could be photoshopped or something...

actually its a classic stage illusion......all criss did is change the setting......

instead of doing it on a stage....he took it outside.....and created the illusion that you could perform it on the street.

so criss is really doing to illusions at once.....

hes trying to convince laymen he can make his legs disapear.....and hes trying to convince the magicians that you can do this kind of thing outside....

but the illusion is real, not photoshoped.

[SomeWhatMagic]

For the Criss Angel leg vanish he just used strips of green to make it look like the legs arent there and they really are.

Just like a green screen:p

[professor808]

For the Criss Angel leg vanish he just used strips of green to make it look like the legs arent there and they really are.

Just like a green screen:p


Your making a joke, yeah you must be making a joke.

[jaka_10]

Criss is very good:) yeah he used some cuts and video editing..but i can't think of anyone who can do so many tricks/illusions ..i mean 4 seasons ..that must be alot of stuff!:) and his ''in-2'' that is just amazing:)

[magick]

For the Criss Angel leg vanish he just used strips of green to make it look like the legs arent there and they really are.

Just like a green screen:p

its not a camera trick......

it's a classic stage illusion.

[BlindDodo]

its not a camera trick......

it's a classic stage illusion.

See; this is why people discredit him. Once he's done one camera trick, people assume he is always using them. The same for stooges.

Personally though, I agree with the professor; he is a very good illusionist. It's just a shame he's tainted his own reputation...

[magic 1]

See; this is why people discredit him. Once he's done one camera trick, people assume he is always using them. The same for stooges.
It doesn't help when people like AceOSpades go an reveal he used a camera edit before to people completely clueless about it.

Personally though, I agree with the professor; he is a very good illusionist. It's just a shame he's tainted his own reputation...
I also agree.

[Hoax]

See; this is why people discredit him. Once he's done one camera trick, people assume he is always using them. The same for stooges.

Personally though, I agree with the professor; he is a very good illusionist. It's just a shame he's tainted his own reputation...



Once a theif, always a thief.





And Criss Angel got some very nice tricks and ideas. however, some of his illusions are just crap but thats on TV. And TV is meant for entertainment. I bet in real life for a live audience he is NOT doing any tricks, otherwise EVERYONE would hate him..

[professor808]

Personally though, I agree with the professor; he is a very good illusionist. It's just a shame he's tainted his own reputation...

I dont think he has tainted his reputation. I believe most of the trick he dose that people think are camera tricks are not. Its like if someone knows about the double lift, and they just say every trick you are doing is because of your double lift, it may not be true but its what they think.

Just because someone things they know how it is done does not mean they have a bad rep or are a bad magician. It means you are fooling them. You completed your job.

I would also like everyone to remember that with most television shows the actor, Criss Angel, dose not have final say of how the video is edited, so a lot of times you are attacking the wrong person, the camera man and the director change angles because they think it will look better from a different angle, its not criss' choosing.

With david blaines tv specials those are different he makes his own videos then sells it to the tv station, criss is paid by A&E to do these shows and A&E has final say.

[traumatised-magic]

this is one of those discussions that is gonna get so many different opinions. i personally dont like how criss uses a lot of camera edits and stooges, but i do like what he does...end of the day he is not entertaining the people on the streets with his television show, he is entertaining the people watchin at home. he is a very acomplished magician and to most magicians watchin his shows most fo teh tricks are simple and easy to figure out, weather it be slight of hand or cleverly disguised camera edits, but all of the tricks amaze laymen and thats kind of the idea.

i dont think i'm better than angel but that doesnt mean i cant say his illusions are crap. if i see a blatent use of camera trickery then my view of angel deffinatly goes down, it seems that havein a television show and tryin to do better and bigger tricks to entertain and thus make more money comes at a price and if that resorts to havein to use camera edits then that is why i have a dislike for him, not because he is usein the camera editin but because of how he is seen as a better magician because of it.

i'm sure if u gave any of the youtube magicians out there a tv show they would get millions of people watchin them, because to a laymen they ecpect to be fooled, but to a magician its not that entertaining, i usually feel pretty annoyed when i see all those youtube magicians tryin to fool people with their editing

this is one of the reasons u dont see any otehr magicians on television, cause they dont have the elaborate tricks angel because some of them use camera edits and preproduction stooges and thus the shows are not as popular, in fact they becoem downright borein.

[tadiko]

Ok all you smart-asses name the effects that he uses camera editing. And now count how many he doesn't use camera editing(The stooges doesn't count because there many tricks that uses stooges,instant stooges because there the part of the act. I think there's a quite number of tricks that uses stooges, instant stooges etc. And most of you saying "Oh everyone hates him". How come then he makes millions of dollars and millions of people watching his TV Show??? Because he's a great entertainer... So that's it from me...

[bdnmagic]

I agree with them,
because a magicians jobs to entertain people,
and at that he succseeds

ps sorry for spelling

[traumatised-magic]

Ok all you smart-asses name the effects that he uses camera editing. And now count how many he doesn't use camera editing(The stooges doesn't count because there many tricks that uses stooges,instant stooges because there the part of the act. I think there's a quite number of tricks that uses stooges, instant stooges etc. And most of you saying "Oh everyone hates him". How come then he makes millions of dollars and millions of people watching his TV Show??? Because he's a great entertainer... So that's it from me...

nobody is sayin he is a crap entertainer we are all arguein about his magic skill. i personally beleive he is a better entertainer than he is a magician. obivously he has some skill and not every trick is camera edited.

to even compare criss to any of us u first need to actually compare tricks, that said i dont see any of us actually performing the bigger illusions and the stage tricks he has taken to the streets, especially to the degree that he does so in that atrospect he is a better magician then any of us will ever be....but if u compare his sleight of hand to any of us that actually perform sleight of hand....wich i can only assume is all of us i would say there are a few people on this site with just as much skill as criss and in that atrospect we can easily compare ourselves or make ourselves out to be better than criss angel.

his style and persona make him an amazing entertainer and performer, but he is a stage magician and like many stage magicians they arent all that great at sleight of hand but they excell at the bigger illusions

[professor808]

to even compare criss to any of us u first need to actually compare tricks. If u compare his sleight of hand to any of us that actually perform sleight of hand.... we can easily compare ourselves or make ourselves out to be better than criss angel.

You can not compare magicians that way. If that is how you compare magicians, Then I am a better magician then David Copperfield. Because he cant do slight of hand very well, he is a stage magician. I could also say i was a better magician the Max Maven because he cant do slight of hand. There a plenty of magicians out there that do not do slight of hand, some never have even touched a deck of cards.

The way you compare one magician to another is by the reactions they get from a laymen audience and their performance style.

So who gets better reactions you or Criss Angel?

[jimbo mcgee]

Just the same as if you catch David Copperfield out in public, he cant fly around the room.

Criss Angel is just using a method you disapprove of to fool people. You may not be fooled but there are plenty of people out there he tricks every show. That's why he has a show. And when he meets someone in person, he has all that magic that you can do to fall back on to still impress someone. Yeah he cant stick his arm through them or make them reappear at the end of the hall but he can still do magic and say, "I do that kind of stuff for my show only" if the ask him to do something impossible.

Why is that so bad that he using camera edits? Is it because he fooled you and after you watched it 13 times and found out it was a camera edit or a stooge you got mad at being tricked. THAT'S WHAT MAGIC IS.

Also that video had nothing to do with anything, FLAVOR FLAVE!

at least copperfield doesnt havta pay his audience and hes way fuckin better than criss angel.a GREAT example is criss wen he does dream of aces. compare that to copperfields and youll see

[professor808]

at least copperfield doesnt havta pay his audience and hes way fuckin better than criss angel.a GREAT example is criss wen he does dream of aces. compare that to copperfields and youll see

Copperfield has his stage hands go out into the audience before the show startes and find someone who is not wearing a tie, then ask them to come back stage. Where he is set up with the dancing tie gimmick. He goes back and sits down with his group. THen copperfield brings him up on stage as if he has never met him and dose the dancing tie with the spectators tie.

You are telling me that, that is not the same type of thing you acuse Angel of doing?

Plus, i would like you to tell me how you know Criss Angel is paying people to be assistants?

[A.C.E]

This is just me getting my two cents in on the the subject, and it hasn't
changed since the last time I posted.

Yes, while SOMETIMES his effects may use camera tricks and SOMETIMES uses stooges doesn't neccesarily make him a
bad magician. I bet he's actually a pretty decent magician, do I think the
amount of skill he has as a magician is equivalant to the amount of fame he
has though? No, I don't, however, his skill as a performer is equivalant
to the amount of fame he has.

He IS a very good performer, and the proof of
that is the millions of wannabees he has on youtube.

When I ask people if they know of any famous magicians, they don't say copperfeild, they don't say Dai Vernon, barely any of them say houdini, but almost ALL of them know who Criss Angel is, and they love him, and that's saying something right there.

Even though he does use some of the things we accuse him of using,
at the end of the day, he's making millions, so in my mind, he must be doing
something right.

[professor808]

Remeber, Criss Angel dose not edit his videos, A&E edits the videos. He has no say over it.

[A.C.E]

Remeber, Criss Angel dose not edit his videos, A&E edits the videos. He has no say over it.
My bad, changed it to "his effects" use them sometimes.

EDIT: how do you know he has no say over it? for all you know he suggests it. Just saying, unless you know him personally, you don't know that.

[professor808]

how do you know he has no say over it? for all you know he suggests it. Just saying, unless you know him personally, you don't know that.

I heard an interview with banachek, one of his consulants saying that Criss Angels uses no camera edits and anything that looked edited out was done by the producers and director.

[A.C.E]

I heard an interview with banachek, one of his consulants saying that Criss Angels uses no camera edits and anything that looked edited out was done by the producers and director.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlIwcVAxZsU

So your saying that this isn't edited, or that he didn't know that it was going to be an edited trick? I'm sorry but I've got to disagree with you there.

EDIT: can a mod please embed the video? I'm sorry but I don't know how to do it.

[magic 1]

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[A.C.E]

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Thanks (+ rep :) )

EDIT: nvm, it's not letting me, srry.

[magic 1]

Thanks (+ rep :) )

EDIT: nvm, it's not letting me, srry.
Eh, it means nothing anyway...

Btw, to embed, just look to the right of the vid, you'll see info plus a link and an embed, copy that code and paste it in your post.

[professor808]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlIwcVAxZsU

So your saying that this isn't edited, or that he didn't know that it was going to be an edited trick? I'm sorry but I've got to disagree with you there.

EDIT: can a mod please embed the video? I'm sorry but I don't know how to do it.

I saw no camera editing in that video at all. I do see that you dont understand the diffrence between camera editing and angles.

If you are talking about the fact that you cant see what completly around him or above him, that is not editing. Editing is when they cut certin video out of the performance or digitaly edit something in. Like if they CGed him in the air, that would be editing.

Using proper camera placement for good angles is not camera editing. It is on diffrent then when you are in person with someone and you do a wrist kill, you are not editing the trick you are hinding the move. Or if you were on stage. They dont have all the equipment they use to levitate copperfield on the stage, they hide it behind the curtins.

What about that video did you think was edited?

[A.C.E]

I saw no camera editing in that video at all. I do see that you dont understand the diffrence between camera editing and angles.

If you are talking about the fact that you cant see what completly around him or above him, that is not editing. Editing is when they cut certin video out of the performance or digitaly edit something in. Like if they CGed him in the air, that would be editing.

Using proper camera placement for good angles is not camera editing. It is on diffrent then when you are in person with someone and you do a wrist kill, you are not editing the trick you are hinding the move. Or if you were on stage. They dont have all the equipment they use to levitate copperfield on the stage, they hide it behind the curtins.
What about that video did you think was edited?

That isn't at all what I was talking about but okay. It does use camera tricks (which may not be concidered editing but in an earlier post you grouped it as the same thing as editing, so so did I), there are numerous examples on youtube that point out different spots on the video that you can see the edits(ex, different times of day, the clouds are out of place, etc, they point more out in the vids), since I don't know how to embed the videos, I won't post them, but your more then welcome to search for them yourself. And please don't put words in my mouth, I never said anything about him using different camera angles, which you then saw fit to write a paragraph about something I didn't say.

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nvm heres one

[professor808]

I never said anything about him using different camera angles, which you then saw fit to write a paragraph about something I didn't say.

Calm down, i never said you did. I was if you did.

And i can comfertably say that yes i do not think Criss had to know about how they were to edit that together. Just because it was filmed at diffrent times does not mean it is a camera trick. When you are in the film industry you film things serveral times to make sure you get good footage. Then the director sits down, after filming, and puts the best shots together.

Thats how TV works. That dose not mean all of this was a big camera trick.

I bet they spent all day filming that one effect. It dose not happen in real time you know.

[Jferkin]

Calm down, i never said you did. I was if you did.

And i can comfertably say that yes i do not think Criss had to know about how they were to edit that together. Just because it was filmed at diffrent times does not mean it is a camera trick. When you are in the film industry you film things serveral times to make sure you get good footage. Then the director sits down, after filming, and puts the best shots together.

Thats how TV works. That dose not mean all of this was a big camera trick.

I bet they spent all day filming that one effect. It dose not happen in real time you know.

Ill show you one... Hold on
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Now go to 1:00 and watch until 1:05 there was a cut... Her glasses just dissapeared.... And the camera cut and started a few inches away....

[A.C.E]

Actually I am perfectly calm right now, whats with all the false assumptions?
" Editing is when they cut certin video out of the performance or digitaly edit something in."

So you telling me they didn't edit something in the video, but they did? Confused? You did say that they just put a bunch

of different clips together, right? yet your also saying that they didn't edit other clips in? And might I ask what your idea as

to how it's done is? Wires? hmm.. if they're going to put it on tv, don't you think they would have moved every shred of

evidence that there was wires attached to him? or the noise of the supposed helicopter that would be attached to the

other end of those wires making him "float", you don't think they would have edited that out too? Or, you could go with

what it most likely seems, "Like if they CGed him in the air" as you say.

[professor808]

Now go to 1:00 and watch until 1:05 there was a cut... Her glasses just dissapeared.... And the camera cut and started a few inches away....

Do you want to watch a magic show that has on long trick or sevearl short tricks.

Because all that is them editing out him doing the ambitious card for this girl, when he hands the card off to an assistant who puts it on the front of the bus. That dose not magic it a camera trick.

I am getting really technical now i know but you guys are acting as if he just stopped ran out there put it on the front ran back in and then pretended there was no stop. The spectators on the bus, to them the trick appeared to be stright forward with it being in the deck then on the window.

There is not enough time with a 30 min show to go thru the whole trick just so you magicians can see when he palms it off and hands it off to someone.

Dose that make it a bad trick, or a camera editied trick? no. it is still an impressive trick. Plus that edit was not how it came out when it appeared on TV i would have to guess someone emblished it a little. then posted it on youtube.

[A.C.E]

Do you want to watch a magic show that has on long trick or sevearl short tricks.

Because all that is them editing out him doing the ambitious card for this girl, when he hands the card off to an assistant who puts it on the front of the bus. That dose not magic it a camera trick.

I am getting really technical now i know but you guys are acting as if he just stopped ran out there put it on the front ran back in and then pretended there was no stop. The spectators on the bus, to them the trick appeared to be stright forward with it being in the deck then on the window.

There is not enough time with a 30 min show to go thru the whole trick just so you magicians can see when he palms it off and hands it off to someone.

Dose that make it a bad trick, or a camera editied trick? no. it is still an impressive trick. Plus that edit was not how it came out when it appeared on TV i would have to guess someone emblished it a little. then posted it on youtube.

When I said he used camera tricks before YOU corrected me and said that he doesn't use edititing, so I'm assuming you view thyem as the same thing, and yet right here you said that it IS a camera trick, which according to you makes it editing?

[professor808]

Actually I am perfectly calm right now, whats with all the false assumptions?
" Editing is when they cut certin video out of the performance or digitaly edit something in."

So you telling me they didn't edit something in the video, but they did? Confused? You did say that they just put a bunch

of different clips together, right? yet your also saying that they didn't edit other clips in? And might I ask what your idea as

to how it's done is? Wires? hmm.. if they're going to put it on tv, don't you think they would have moved every shred of

evidence that there was wires attached to him? or the noise of the supposed helicopter that would be attached to the

other end of those wires making him "float", you don't think they would have edited that out too? Or, you could go with

what it most likely seems, "Like if they CGed him in the air" as you say.

Yes editing happens, but that dose not mean that Criss Angel is doing it. Criss Angel is a magician not a video technician. He creates and performes illusions. Are you trying to tell me that his floating from one buidling to another is not a good illusion? Or are you upset that he did not realy float from one building to another.

[professor808]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlIwcVAxZsU

So your saying that this isn't edited, or that he didn't know that it was going to be an edited trick? I'm sorry but I've got to disagree with you there.

You asked me if criss could have know that this was edited. To criss all it oculd have been was them having him do the same trick several times. So yes i dont think he knew they would edit it to appear as one full trick.


Now you are trying to get into all the stuff that they "might" have edited out. Thats not what i am talking about.

[A.C.E]

Yes editing happens, but that dose not mean that Criss Angel is doing it. Criss Angel is a magician not a video technician. He creates and performes illusions. Are you trying to tell me that his floating from one buidling to another is not a good illusion? Or are you upset that he did not realy float from one building to another.

Err please stop trying to bellitle me? Kind of shows weakness in a discussion when you have to insult the person your arguing with to make your point sound better. And yes I'm telling you it's not a good illusion, theres NO WAY IN HELL he would perform this live or for people that were'nt payed off, and if you can't do it live then I don't consider it a good illusion. If you can't do somethign without a camera for an audience and it still fool them then no, I dont consider it good.

[professor808]

I don't consider it a good illusion. If you can't do somethign without a camera for an audience and it still fool them then no, I dont consider it good.

Well to each his own.

But i do believe many people did find it amazing and entertaing. And as you do not know how it is done, it did fool you weather you will admit it or not.

[A.C.E]

Well to each his own.

But i do believe many people did find it amazing and entertaing. And as you do not know how it is done, it did fool you weather you will admit it or not.
How do you know I didn't get it right? Do you know how it's done? Can you prove to me that he didnt use wires and a helicopter or that he didnt get "CGed in the air"? So how do you know I'm wrong? And I think a lot of people would agree with me that if you can't do an illusion live then it's not a good trick, so yes, to each his own if you feal the opposite.

[professor808]

Well this topic sucks now. Thanks you very much.

[A.C.E]

Well this topic sucks now. Thanks you very much.
Your as much to blame as I am. I'd gladly get back on topic now if you like.

[traumatised-magic]

You asked me if criss could have know that this was edited. To criss all it oculd have been was them having him do the same trick several times. So yes i dont think he knew they would edit it to appear as one full trick.


Now you are trying to get into all the stuff that they "might" have edited out. Thats not what i am talking about.


it was clearly edited in a way to disguised the wires more and to take out any view of a crane or helicopter.

its clear he levitated with either of these things yet ur still sayin criss had no idea this trick would be edited, if u think criss can do that trick with out an edit live i for one would love to see it

[professor808]

it was clearly edited in a way to disguised the wires more and to take out any view of a crane or helicopter.

its clear he levitated with either of these things yet ur still sayin criss had no idea this trick would be edited, if u think criss can do that trick with out an edit live i for one would love to see it

If you refer to one of my posts earlier, i said that using certain camera angles to hid the device creating the magic is no different then being on stage and having your secret devices hidden behind the stage curtains.

[professor808]

Just so you know, i do understand what you are saying about him not being able to do it live for a real audience, at least from how we all think the trick is done he cant.

But i don't think we should charge him with camera editing on this trick. since it was more about using good camera placement as to hide the method.

[gigacurd]

i hate him for these reasons:

1.He's not skilled at all, if you've ever seen him prform with anything other then gimmicked things, you will understand

2.He acted very poorly on Phenomonon, talk about bashing other magicians in front of layman lmao

3.He's cocky as f*ck. In an interview, he claimed to be better then copperfield, and has publicly stated his superiority to such magicians as David blaine (whom is not that great either).

4.There are many other magicians out there who are 5x better then angel but yet dont get noticed, whereas angel's cocky ass does, usually by teenage goth magic fanboys n girls

If you like criss angels style but prefer a more realistic view with more skills and presentation see cyril takayama. Seriously

[jaka_10]

Yeah Cyril is my favorite magician. But he uses ALOT of big,hardcore gimmciks!:) And yes he has awesome sleights. But he edits the ''sleight'' out too (sometimes). And Criss has skills. He just likes bigger stuff more( i think:))

[Calbrit01]

I wonder how much money Criss made, in the time it took me to read this thread:rolleyes: wish I was good enough to deserve such a slagging :o

[professor808]

i hate him for these reasons:

1.He's not skilled at all, if you've ever seen him prform with anything other then gimmicked things, you will understand

2.He acted very poorly on Phenomonon, talk about bashing other magicians in front of layman lmao

3.He's cocky as f*ck. In an interview, he claimed to be better then copperfield, and has publicly stated his superiority to such magicians as David blaine (whom is not that great either).

4.There are many other magicians out there who are 5x better then angel but yet dont get noticed, whereas angel's cocky ass does, usually by teenage goth magic fanboys n girls

1. Criss Angel is a very skilled stage illusionist, not a slight of hand artist.
2. That show was all about who was better, so yeah he is going to bash people. Plus i really like how he called out Uri Geller and that other guy who was claiming to be real.
3.He is cocky in his interviews because thats how you get publicity. He bashes on other magicians like david blaine to get more news coverage. It is a tactic and they are not actually mad at each other.
4. You are correct about this, there are plenty of other magicinas out there who are way more talented then him, but sleight of hand is not what entertains people. it only entertains us magicians.

Have you ever done a trick for a magicians that really fools them, then do it for a laymen. They like it but dont understand it as much because only a magicians mind would be fooled by things that seem like it should be one thing but are not.

Thats why most tv magic is crap, because laymen don't like the stuff that fools us. they like crap like rising card deck and quarter bite.

P.S. Cyril dose use the most gaffed shit i have ever seen in my life. Gaffing the side of a building or an entire room for one effect is so fing crazy. If anyone should be flamed for not doing real magic and editing their videos it should be Cyril, but no one does because what he dose fools you to make you think you could really do it.

[traumatised-magic]

1. Criss Angel is a very skilled stage illusionist, not a slight of hand artist.
2. That show was all about who was better, so yeah he is going to bash people. Plus i really like how he called out Uri Geller and that other guy who was claiming to be real.
3.He is cocky in his interviews because thats how you get publicity. He bashes on other magicians like david blaine to get more news coverage. It is a tactic and they are not actually mad at each other.
4. You are correct about this, there are plenty of other magicinas out there who are way more talented then him, but sleight of hand is not what entertains people. it only entertains us magicians.

Have you ever done a trick for a magicians that really fools them, then do it for a laymen. They like it but dont understand it as much because only a magicians mind would be fooled by things that seem like it should be one thing but are not.

Thats why most tv magic is crap, because laymen don't like the stuff that fools us. they like crap like rising card deck and quarter bite.

P.S. Cyril dose use the most gaffed shit i have ever seen in my life. Gaffing the side of a building or an entire room for one effect is so fing crazy. If anyone should be flamed for not doing real magic and editing their videos it should be Cyril, but no one does because what he dose fools you to make you think you could really do it.

very well said, i personally think cyril and angel are just as bad as each other, both of them usually use highly gimmicked tricks and perform rediculous tricks out on the street....the only difference is cyril presents it in a way that actually makes it seem real, where as angel just presents it as somethin else...i dunno hard to explain but its as tho angel puts way to much effort in the trick. angel maybe a great stage performer but i personally dont think that kind of persona is right for street magic, where as cyrils cool, manor is just better to watch...its like the magic he is performin is more natural.

angel always tends to act more like a rock star than a magician...i think usually the only reason he gets the people on his show to do the tricks is cause of the cameras.....i mean if a television company came up to u and started filmin and then a guy asks to show u a magic trick u'd do it just to be on tv. but in reality if someone walked up to u lookin the way criss does on most of his shows i garauntee 80% of people would tell him to just fuck off and call him an weirdo or somthin

[professor808]

but in reality if someone walked up to u lookin the way criss does on most of his shows i garauntee 80% of people would tell him to just fuck off and call him an weirdo or somthin


HA HA you are so right.

[z0dak]

HA HA you are so right.

I know this feeling... *sigh*... its not a good one...

[Hoax]

i can fly... and im special! Momma says that i can do anything that i can fit inside my helmet!!

Yeah, she mentioned you last night =/


Anyways, what you guys just said makes sense however i have to disagree with some parts of it.


Criss Angel is as professor said an illusionist with a good tv show but no sleight of hand artist. Criss is more of a person that I'd refer to as an entertainer who uses magic to spice it up. Thats just my opinion..

[Abra-Kazam?]

but in reality if someone walked up to u lookin the way criss does on most of his shows i garauntee 80% of people would tell him to just fuck off and call him an weirdo or somthin

Actually on one of his later shows he said in the earlier seasons he could'nt get anyone to watch a trick.

[professor808]

Actually on one of his later shows he said in the earlier seasons he could'nt get anyone to watch a trick.

Yes, proving Traum point. Because in his earlier seasons no one knew who he was and would not listen to him.

[professor808]

Yeah, she mentioned you last night =/

Making mother jokes, you must be what.. 16?