Does anyone else agree with me?

[redspade200]

I am thinking about sending an email to youtube about the magic revealing problem. There is way too many revealing videos on youtube. I cant even street perform any more. I just got back from NYC. Everytime I did something they would go, "eh....that was ok....I saw that and how to do it on youtubel." I makes me so angry. So anyone else who feels this way, please make a post on this thread, and how it has affected you, or how you feel about it. I am going to send the link to youtube.

[jaka_10]

Yeah you are right:)!! It's always like..''you are learning that from youtube''...or...''i saw that on youtube'' i hate that! those kids ..they suck at magic so they just reveal it!

[traumatised-magic]

really, to be honest in all my years performing i've never had that....it seems to me that the only reason people actually go online to find out how to do the tricks is that they actually have some kind of interest in it, i mean why else would they search thru videos on youtube....without actually knowin the name of the trick and then watch the whole video to see if its the one they want....to b honest in my opinion it seems u just happen to stumble accross a group of people interested in magic

[magick]

the best answer is to avoid those simple effects.....

learn some complicated sleight of hand, and perform effects that cant be explained away by an amature in a 3 minute video......

if your show is

stigmata
angle zero
flow

and any of those other almost self working effects.

then your just asking for trouble.

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i also want to say that i have never had this problem.........no one has ever mentioned seeing something on youtube to me, other than an amature magician.

[redspade200]

yes but truam, honestly, wouldn't it annoy you if someone said that too you? and plus, I know most of you don't care, but put yourself in the persons shoes, the person that made the trick, is trying to sell it. Now look at all of those youtube videos revealing your trick. So many people are going to figure out how to do it for free, and you will be losing money, and youtube wont do anything about it. And for my performance I was doing A.C.A.A.N, Card Stab, WOW, solid bubble, and coin in bottle.

[professor808]

the best answer is to avoid those simple effects.....

learn some complicated sleight of hand, and perform effects that cant be explained away by an amature in a 3 minute video......


I agree with you and i agree with Magick.

I would like to see the revealing issue on youtube stop, but i knwo it woulnt, because youtube will only take down videos if someone is breaking a copyright law.

But i also agree with magick, the reason you are getting those responces is because you are doing tricks that you see on tv, i.e. david blaine or criss angel do.

You need to branch out from the top seller list of penguin magic and ellustionst and find things that are unique and diffrent. that is the only way people are going to tell you apart from other magicians and not be able to google the method.

start off with card college book series, you will learn so much from there, that is not revealed on a youtube video, that you will be able to come up with your own effects.

Stay away from Ellusionist, because everyone who goes there is an amateur who will just end up filming themselves practicing he trick and end up revealing the method because they are so bad.

[professor808]

yes but truam, honestly, wouldn't it annoy you if someone said that too you? and plus, I know most of you don't care, but put yourself in the persons shoes, the person that made the trick, is trying to sell it. Now look at all of those youtube videos revealing your trick. So many people are going to figure out how to do it for free, and you will be losing money, and youtube wont do anything about it.

Well then they should come out with tricks that arn't easy for amateurs to do. Or sell there effect for over 200 so no kids can buy it.

I also wanted to say that like traum, i have never had someone say they saw that on youtube, sometimes they say i know that, but then you just do something that is not for a lay audience. Plus most of the time they have no idea what you are really doing. Or you can tell them to fuck off because you are entertaining them and not trying to trick them.

I think thats why a lot of people end up having their audience try to figure out what they are doing and not sit and watch a show, because too many amateur magicians use the patter of, I am going to fool you, instead of i am entertaining.

[traumatised-magic]

yes i would hate it if people were like that, but they are not.... the kinds of tricks i do on a regular basis are like proffessor said not the top of the range penguin/ellusionist garbage....i leanr tricks that fit my style and perhaps not the most asked for tricks.....but i do disagree with magick on just one little thing and thats angle zero. lol i personally think it may not be the strongest trick in the world but performed with the right misdirection and handeling the spectator has no idea how u do it, i think its a great trick and is always in my repertoire...but i guess its not for everyone

[redspade200]

I dont use any of tricks from E

[professor808]

but i do disagree with magick on just one little thing and thats angle zero. lol i personally think it may not be the strongest trick in the world but performed with the right misdirection and handeling the spectator has no idea how u do it

That is true, In fact with all those tricks that people reveal, if you just add your own patter and handling to it. (plus have any bit of skill) you can fool even magicians who know that trick.

Just keep practicing.

[pimbo]

It has never happened to me but I would like the revealing on youtube stop.

[magick]

but i do disagree with magick on just one little thing and thats angle zero. lol i personally think it may not be the strongest trick in the world but performed with the right misdirection and handeling the spectator has no idea how u do it, i think its a great trick and is always in my repertoire...but i guess its not for everyone

im not saying that it is a bad concept.....the fact that there are so many incarnations of the same plot attests to the effects ability to impress an audience....

but angle zero seems kinda backwards to me.....

if i were to do an effect of this nature.....i would give the small piece of the card to the spectator as a receipt....and vanish and reproduce the larger portion of the card....(from a psychological point of view, size matter to the spectator, larger piece....more impressive.)

[traumatised-magic]

yeah i see what ur sayin, it would be more impressive if it were the other way around,
i usually work that as part of my patter tho, the fact that i've been practicein makin cards vanish and appear in otehr impossible places but so far i've only managed to do a small piece cause i'm still learning it. lol
i know its a bit cheesy but it seems to work and the trick is still pretty impessive

[redspade200]

the best answer is to avoid those simple effects.....

learn some complicated sleight of hand, and perform effects that cant be explained away by an amature in a 3 minute video......

if your show is

stigmata
angle zero
flow

and any of those other almost self working effects.

then your just asking for trouble.

.................................................. ..............................

i also want to say that i have never had this problem.........no one has ever mentioned seeing something on youtube to me, other than an amature magician.

wait but magick, you said in a post a while back that the same thing happened to you....

[SomeWhatMagic]

it would be nice if they did get taken down..

[stevethemagicguy]

i metioned this awile ago saying we should pm reveals and if a video tut is needed put it on putfile or something that people wont easily find but most people here basicly said that that was a stupid idea hum how peoples opions change amazes me

[fkace63]

I really agree that the youtube thing absolutely sucks. Unfortunately, an email will do nothing. Youtube will ignore it, unless you're referring to a specific video. A few months ago I remember complaining about the same problem, and about how my friend looked up the secret to fraud. The fraud reveal video was taken down. I emailed ellusionist about that. I also contacted revver, and the individual kid who made the video. I don't know if its a coincidence, because nobody ever emailed me back, but I at least hope I had something to do with it.


To me whats important is that you are so comfortable with your database of tricks, that if one or two are revealed through youtube, it doesn't make you any less of a magician. In other words, don't invest too much for a trick. Of course, once people learn the double lift, you're absolutely fucked. I haven't come across that much, but it really sucks to have to modify my entire performance to have no double lifts at all... Now, if I perform for someone who is clearly a laymen who learned a couple tricks through youtube, I will probably just walk away and not perform for them its not worth it... That would be my worst case scenario, but timeless classics like triumph and a card to pocket are still VERY deceptive. Even my ambitious card is deceptive, my sister knows all about dl's but doesn't catch them with ambitious card.

In my opinion, average random people are going to respect your magic and not going to search youtube for a reveal. One friend knows all about youtube reveals, but doesn't go on youtube looking up all of my effects. However, if you're showing tricks to only your close buddies, they are much more likely to youtube the reveals.

This is why I don't stick to only card tricks, and well known ellusionist effects. This is a great topic to ask the magic cafe, there are plenty of pros and legends who post there... Maybe this has been asked before, I guess I'll look into that.

[Jferkin]

I have never had this problem... But i stop doing reveals on youtube...I deleted account that had reveals...