What's With Ellusionist?

[ntroberts]

Originally Posted by jimdavisrules

Well, think about it. Like I heard a guy on youtube say, any magician will reveal his tricks for a price. I'm just doing the exact same thing, but for free.
And contrary to what a magician is? Not really. If every magician was truly what you say they are, we would never have had magic shops. Magic shops are, in a sense, revealing tricks to you. All you have to do is pay the price. So, in truth, no magician is ever following the magician's oath. If they were following it, they would not give you the trick, so matter what price you offer. When Penguin or any other store tells you not to reveal a just-learned trick, they're being hypocrites, because they are revealing it themselves.
Maybe that's why Val Valentino reveals tricks. He said that people love magic more than when they were fooled, but there may also be another reason.
So, yeah. Magic is being revealed everywhere, and you probably have a few books and DVD's on it lying around somewhere.

I'd disagree with that. There are still quite a handful of tricks that nobody knows about, and it seems no price can ever get their creators to spill. But I digress...

The core problem is that there's no simple way to judge intent. If it were only possible to restrict sales of effects to people who really have a desire to be magicians then shops would've surely done so. In my shop, the only accessible tricks are the old gimmicked tricks. If you wanted something like say... Loops, you'd have to ask specifically for it if they didn't know you. That's one form of controlling it, but it's hardly perfect.

What's my point? Well, say my nephew sees me do a trick and asks how I do it, I won't tell, for the simple reason that they're not magicians and have no intention of becoming one. Under your rule, you'd have told them anyway, whatever your definition of "need to know" is. There's a big difference between admitting it's a trick to differentiate it from real magic and exposure. In fact, as much as rampant capitalism in magic is maligned, money is still a respectable barrier. It keeps away the "justs wants to know because he was just floored a few seconds ago". Everybody asks how a trick is done, but if they cost even as low as a dollar, they won't necessarily buy the secret anyway. Whereas asking you about it is free and direct, so they'll always get an answer.

Besides, hecklers are annoying enough as it is. Would you really want everybody else ruining a show with "aaahhh he has two cards... a magician told me that", in of course, the best of intentions, unlike hecklers?

[irishspades]

Originally Posted by ntroberts

I'd disagree with that. There are still quite a handful of tricks that nobody knows about, and it seems no price can ever get their creators to spill. But I digress...

The core problem is that there's no simple way to judge intent. If it were only possible to restrict sales of effects to people who really have a desire to be magicians then shops would've surely done so. In my shop, the only accessible tricks are the old gimmicked tricks. If you wanted something like say... Loops, you'd have to ask specifically for it if they didn't know you. That's one form of controlling it, but it's hardly perfect.

What's my point? Well, say my nephew sees me do a trick and asks how I do it, I won't tell, for the simple reason that they're not magicians and have no intention of becoming one. Under your rule, you'd have told them anyway, whatever your definition of "need to know" is. There's a big difference between admitting it's a trick to differentiate it from real magic and exposure. In fact, as much as rampant capitalism in magic is maligned, money is still a respectable barrier. It keeps away the "justs wants to know because he was just floored a few seconds ago". Everybody asks how a trick is done, but if they cost even as low as a dollar, they won't necessarily buy the secret anyway. Whereas asking you about it is free and direct, so they'll always get an answer.

Besides, hecklers are annoying enough as it is. Would you really want everybody else ruining a show with "aaahhh he has two cards... a magician told me that", in of course, the best of intentions, unlike hecklers?

People become magicians for many different reasons.Some to entertain,some to fool, and there are many more different reasons why people become magicians; but the main reason (hopefully) people do magic is because we all as magicains love magic and love the astonishment and want other people to enjoy that as well.Though I believe the effect is more amazing than the secret I believe that magicians should still have the option of telling someone the secret so they can have that "Wow! Why didn't I see that before?" and feel like they can be a part of that magic feeling rather than the magician going "Wanna know how I did it?Well to bad!". The point of all the ranting is every magician has the right to keep the secret or share it.

[iowamagic]

I just wanted to let everyone know where I buy my magic from:

http://themagicwarehouse.com/

I choose to buy from them for 3 reasons:

1) Prices! They are cheaper or at least the same.
2) Customer Service. I bought UltraGaff from them. It had 1 mis cut card. I called Ellusionist seeing it was their product and I figured they could send me a card. They said NO! I had to send the whole deck back to The Magic Warehouse. The reasoning... Cause the card might be counterfeit and they would loose money. (WTF!?). I called The Magic Warehouse. They sent me the card that was bad from another deck, then I mailed one card back. Simple and cheap for me. $0.47 for postage instead of sending an entire deck back.
3) Great selection. They have pretty much every trick and supply you could ever want or need!

[ILikeMagic :)]

Originally Posted by iowamagic

I just wanted to let everyone know where I buy my magic from:

http://themagicwarehouse.com/

I choose to buy from them for 3 reasons:

1) Prices! They are cheaper or at least the same.
2) Customer Service. I bought UltraGaff from them. It had 1 mis cut card. I called Ellusionist seeing it was their product and I figured they could send me a card. They said NO! I had to send the whole deck back to The Magic Warehouse. The reasoning... Cause the card might be counterfeit and they would loose money. (WTF!?). I called The Magic Warehouse. They sent me the card that was bad from another deck, then I mailed one card back. Simple and cheap for me. $0.47 for postage instead of sending an entire deck back.
3) Great selection. They have pretty much every trick and supply you could ever want or need!

just wanted to point out that ellusionist have every right to say no to u....u didnt buy from them so why would they be able to help u out...thats like buyin somthin from one shop and expecting a refund from a different shop just cause they sell the same product

ellusionist would have had no proof u even brought the gaff deck, like they told u it could be a fake and ur tryin to get a real card out of them...where as magic wherehouse has the proof u purchased form them cause they have ur order details so they are able to help u out

[irishspades]

Originally Posted by ILikeMagic :)

just wanted to point out that ellusionist have every right to say no to u....u didnt buy from them so why would they be able to help u out...thats like buyin somthin from one shop and expecting a refund from a different shop just cause they sell the same product

ellusionist would have had no proof u even brought the gaff deck, like they told u it could be a fake and ur tryin to get a real card out of them...where as magic wherehouse has the proof u purchased form them cause they have ur order details so they are able to help u out

he's got a point.

[mycoolwould]

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he's got a point.


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